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⚠️ Monarch Sync - Please read carefully ⚠️

This is just an idea and there is absolutely the possibility that I kill this idea, but wanted to run it by people to look at the long-term viability of Monarch.

To make it seamless to sync across devices and across platforms like Windows (and Linux eventually), Monarch Sync would be a super low-cost subscription $3-4 that would manage syncing everything for you, but I would also like to target additional features beyond standard syncing, namely:

The ability to have different profiles that contain different Settings, Superlinks, Snippets, Bookmarks, perhaps Clipboard History, history categories, favorites, themes, hotkeys, and a host of other things including an iOS app. This means you'd be able to have a "For Work" profile and a "Personal" profile and be able to switch between the two effortlessly.

But also ... I can totally kill this idea, and we would have syncing managed by iCloud/Dropbox on Mac (for free) and that'd be that! It would limit syncing functionality and design that would come with Monarch Sync though. For clarity: it would have absolutely zero impact on any regular usage of Monarch.

It would be powerful syncing that other launchers don't have, and this alone would cement the future long-term viability, but also yes it would be a subscription, which I myself am usually against. But it very much would allow me to shift some things around by version 1.0 that would make Monarch even more affordable/accessible.

Please let me know your thoughts. It's vitally important that if you're against this idea you let me know why because there is a lot of flexibility here still that I'm grateful to have and because this app belongs to the users.

- Michael

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  • dummydecoy

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    Jul 28, 2024

    Please kill any idea of a subscription. I bought Monarch because it promised no subscription.

    • rmdashrfv

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      Jul 28, 2024

      To be clear, this would have 0 to do with the core functionality of the application. This would be more like the Obsidian style, where there’s easily accessible options or workarounds for it, though people who have cross platform needs will likely prefer something like this

  • Monarca34

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    Aug 1, 2024

    I see the point on wanting to do this. However, I’m not a fan of the idea of a subscription, and don’t need the Windows/Linux/Mac syncing anytime soon.

    • rmdashrfv

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      Aug 3, 2024

      Fair enough, thank you

  • Mario Dian

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    Dec 8, 2024

    In my mind launchers are “set up and forget” type of apps. I don’t mind syncing just with iCloud or even manually exporting/importing settings and all the other stuff that doesn’t change that often.

  • fischer

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    Jul 31, 2025

    I really like the idea of being able to sync as long as there’s an option to be able to hook into it via api or something ex. I have a homelab and would very much like to have a selfhostable version of the syncing agent or a way to hook into it and write my own version to sync.

    I am (will be once license purchasing opens up again) one of those users that would be running this on both mac and windows (when released) and am very happy to here that you see this as not just a mac exclusive app.

    • rmdashrfv

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      Jul 31, 2025

      Actually one of the reasons that the Luna License is going to only be available for the next sale is because one of the benefits of the Luna Edition of Monarch is that they work on 1 device per OS. So you will be able to use yours for Mac, Windows, and Linux per single Luna Edition.

      So it may have been too good of a deal 😅

      • fischer

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        Jul 31, 2025

        That’s good to know and I will be purchasing 2 then since I roll with two macs 😅. Where can I go to get notified when the next sale starts?

        This product looks truly amazing, and am very excited for the future of it!

        • rmdashrfv

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          Aug 1, 2025

          Thank you so much! We have a discord where people are eagerly awaiting and we also have a twitter and subreddit. Release info will be posted on all of them. The Luna Edition will be available for 31 days after version 0.8 is released!

          • fischer

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            Aug 1, 2025

            Thank you I will hop in those!

  • Sander Datema

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    Jul 5, 2024

    I don't like the idea of syncing be behind a paywall. The other features are more advanced so yes, maybe you could do that. And what would make that sync so much more powerful than the others?

    • rmdashrfv

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      Jul 7, 2024

      The goal here would be full sync with platforms such as Linux and typically syncing is done without the management of different profiles. I do like the idea of being able to rely on iCloud for syncing but historically on Windows and Linux.

      I do understand that most people who use a Mac don't use anything else, but I want to stress that being restricted to Apple's ecosystem isn't the end goal of Monarch and that Windows has something like 70% or more of the computer device market.

      Having said all that, I've been giving this more thought and I am open to adding more to it to make the value worth it. Thank you for the feedback and question!

    • kenlefeb

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      Jan 14, 2025

      Of all the features to charge for, syncing makes the most sense to me. Maintaining the synchronization servers will cost you ongoing money, so we should pay to support that.

      Regarding your idea of supporting profiles, I think you could definitely support profiles in third-party syncing platforms, so I would encourage you to keep that in mind as you design the persistence model for this app, even if you don’t actually support third-party clouds right away.

      Finally, also in regard to these profiles, I think it would be great if you could map each profile to an Apple Focus mode. (Don’t require that every profile map to a focus because there’s a very restrictive limit to the number of focus modes allowed.)

  • Rino Cheng

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    Jul 25, 2024

    I think I like the idea of syncing with iCloud, Drive, Dropbox. Not sure what are the limitations though as I only see it as a sync for Clipboard History and Monarch Settings. Not sure if doing so would also mean that the sync won’t work effortlessly between devices though. If Monarch has it’s own Sync and it’s better in a way that’s more helpful I’m sure it will work.

    • rmdashrfv

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      Jul 26, 2024

      Syncing with existing external services will limit the possibility of creating sync’d “space”/profiles for Monarch. For example, you may work with a team that has several work-related Superlinks set up, but then you want to be able to “unhook” your Monarch from that team at any given point, and/or manage several profiles across your own workflows. Using things like a personal iCloud/Dropbox account would make this functionality janky or even untenable.

      I also haven’t fully fleshed it out yet, but my intention is to have sync do more than synching too. things like sending a file/folder to another user instantly.

  • nottibor

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    Jan 28, 2025

    Is it possible to achieve this level of Sync just by using iCloud/Dropbox/GoogleDrive Sync at all?

    • rmdashrfv

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      Jan 28, 2025

      I do not know yet. There will undoubtedly be more to this by the time this feature comes around. Making every effort to have this be no-cost.

  • Sidar

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    Mar 6, 2025

    I understand that this would be totally optional, but introducing a subscription like this at all is an overtly aggressive change. I know you say it won’t affect the launcher’s regular usage at all, but having a subscription with any advantage at all adds a sort of a sense of not having the full product.

    That said, there are two ways I’d minimize this:

    1. Make the subscription as cheap as humanely possible. Personally I think anything over a dollar a month is enough to leave a bad taste in the mouth of many potential users who will be looking at the site and pricing. If you do decide to make it cost more though, check below, make sure it doesn’t feel like users who decline are missing out. But at the same time, it’s also worth noting that for more expensive subscriptions, people most likely will expect some kind of advantage over ‘free’ users.

    Okay so after writing the following I’m realizing that I think adding a subscription is, bluntly put, just not a great idea. I’ll leave it though so you still get to see my thoughts.

    1. Offering nearly identical functionality through other means, without a payment. And make this very clear on every page in which the subscription is mentioned. Think of how Obsidian has their sync subscription, but also supports iCloud and plugins for syncing via other providers. Obsidian supports sync via other means, but it’s a very lazy implementation. Using the plugin means reading a guide and setting it up on your own, potentially running into issues as its a community implementation. And the iCloud method is just them saying you can put your vault in iCloud instead of local files and it’ll be synced, but they also mention how the syncing might be slow and won’t be live, and don’t even officially support moving a vault between local and cloud (they just say to create a new one). This all makes it feel like you don’t need the sync, but it’s sort of implied. And while many people (especially those who are active in online discourse) won’t see much issue in that, I feel a standard user may be turned off by it.

    • rmdashrfv

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      Mar 6, 2025

      Avoiding charging people for sync would be ideal. I can’t pinpoint a dollar amount of what this would be, but I agree that it should cost as little has possible.

      This is something on the back burner. I plan to explore ways to make it so that people don’t have to continuously pay—that’s my goal here. It’s just that whatever solution I implement needs to be something that doesn’t come back to bottleneck development.

      I think that Obsidian Sync is fine in that it works with any cloud provider. I personally don’t rely on sync, I just try to manually back up notes regularly. There will absolutely be users that don’t need sync.